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Fedorov asked about Ukraine government corruption claims Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky should be asked questions about corruption in his government, his sacked defence minister Mykhailo Fedorov has told the BBC.
费奥多罗夫问乌克兰政府腐败索赔 乌克兰总统沃洛季米尔*泽伦斯基(Volodymyr Zelensky)应该被问及他的政府中的腐败问题,他被解雇的国防部长迈哈伊洛*费奥多罗夫(Mykhailo Fedorov)告诉BBC。
Fedorov, a popular minister who modernised the military and pioneered drone warfare, was fired last month after reportedly falling out with the head of Ukraine's armed forces.
费奥多罗夫是一位受欢迎的部长,他对军队进行了现代化改造并开创了无人机战争,上个月在据报道与乌克兰武装部队负责人闹翻后被解雇。
He told the BBC a money laundering investigation announced last week meant Zelensky should be asked about his awareness of potential corruption in his inner circle.
他告诉英国广播公司上周宣布的洗钱调查意味着Zelensky应该被问及他对他的核心圈子潜在腐败的认识。
But he said he had not himself seen the president engage in any corrupt activity.
但他表示,他本人并未见过总统从事任何腐败活动。
"In all the time that I worked with him, not a single time have I received from him any task or assignment that would go against law or my sense of integrity", Federov said.
费德罗夫说:"在我与他共事的所有时间里,从未从他那里接到任何违背法律或我诚信感的任务或任务。"
The former minister also repeated his appeal for elections to be held in Ukraine, days after releasing a video where he called for a wartime vote.
这位前部长还再次呼吁乌克兰举行选举,几天前他发布了一段呼吁战时投票的视频。
"Democracy should not be the hostage of Putin", he said - but stopped short of declaring his own political ambitions.
他说:"民主不应成为普京的人质"——但并未明确表达自己的政治野心。
There were angry protests over Fedorov's sacking but his support dwindled and demonstrations ended on Wednesday, after his replacement was confirmed.
费多罗夫被解职引发了愤怒抗议,但他的支持率下降,示威于周三在确认其继任者后结束。
His call for a vote has been widely rejected. Asked whether he missed his old job, the 35-year-old replied "No", citing the relentless stress of managing Ukraine's war with Russia while transforming its defence ministry.
他呼吁投票的请求被广泛否决。 当被问及是否怀念旧工作时,这位35岁的年轻人回答"没有",并提到管理乌克兰与俄罗斯战争并改造国防部所承受的无尽压力。
Ukraine has been under martial law since Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022, meaning elections are suspended.
自2022年俄罗斯全面入侵乌克兰以来,乌克兰一直处于戒严状态,选举暂停。
Zelensky's five-year presidential term ended in May 2024. But Fedorov said it was his "moral right" to start the conversation about elections.
泽连斯基的五年总统任期于2024年5月结束。 但费多罗夫表示,开启关于选举的讨论是他的"道德权利"。
"We should not be afraid of discussing it.
"我们不该害怕讨论它。
That's what democracy is all about. If I cannot share my ideas and be open about them with my own society, then what are we fighting for?" If elections were never held, he said, "then we are no longer a democracy".
这就是民主的全部意义。 如果我不能向自己的社会分享我的想法并坦诚表达,那我们还在为何而战?" 他说,如果从未举行过选举,"那么我们就不再是一个民主国家"。
Sacked Ukrainian defence minister calls for presidential election Federov has called for elections and declined to answer if he backs Zelensky In his earlier video statement Fedorov had argued that "people cannot endlessly live in a state where they do not understand why certain decisions are made".
被解职的乌克兰国防部长呼吁总统选举 费德罗夫呼吁举行选举,并拒绝回答是否支持泽连斯基 在他之前的视频声明中,费多罗夫曾辩称,"人们不能无止境地生活在一个不理解某些决策为何做出的状态中"。
He shied away from criticising the president directly and declined to answer whether he backs Zelensky to win any election.
他回避直接批评总统,也拒绝回答是否支持泽连斯基赢得任何选举。
Zelensky said he believed wartime elections would currently be too dangerous for Ukraine in remarks released on Sunday.
泽连斯基在周日发布的讲话中表示,他认为目前战时选举对乌克兰来说过于危险。
"I believe that in a war like this, elections as such are a huge risk," he said.
"我认为在这样的战争中,选举本身是巨大的风险,"他说。
"Elections right now are a tsunami for the country that will split Ukraine."
"现在的选举对这个国家来说是一场海啸,将分裂乌克兰。"
Experts have cited a number of obstacles to holding such a vote, including how soldiers, millions of Ukrainian refugees and people from occupied territories would vote, as well as disinformation threats from Russia.
专家指出,举行此类投票面临诸多障碍,包括士兵、数百万乌克兰难民和被占领土居民的投票方式,以及来自俄罗斯的虚假信息威胁。
Fedorov's video highlighting political corruption last week came the day before a money laundering investigation was announced into lawmakers and bankers. Ukraine's anti-corruption bureau said it had uncovered a scheme to misappropriate more than $3m (£2.2m) in Ukrainian currency to pay bail for a former energy minister accused of money laundering.
费多罗夫上周发布的视频揭露政治腐败,正值立法者和银行家洗钱调查宣布的前一天。 乌克兰反腐败局表示,已发现一个挪用超过300万美元(220万英镑)乌克兰货币的计划,用于支付一名被控洗钱的前能源部长的保释金。
A senior official in Zelensky's office, alleged to be involved, was sacked.
泽连斯基办公室一名据称涉案的高级官员被解雇。
Mikhailo Fedorov at a meeting of the Ukraine Defence Contact Group in Belgium in February Fedorov said there were questions about the president's awareness of potential corruption in his inner circle.
米哈伊洛·费多罗夫于2月在比利时举行的乌克兰国防联络小组会议上 费多罗夫表示,外界对总统对其核心圈子潜在腐败的认知存在疑问。
"Let him answer this question...
"让他来回答这个问题......
I believe that he's ready for such questions.
我相信他已经准备好回答这些问题了。
It's his responsibility to tell us all whether he was aware of all that or not...
他有责任告诉我们他是否知道这些......
I don't want to make any assumptions."
我不想妄下断言。"
A spokesperson for the president had earlier told BBC News: "Since the former minister was part of every government since 2019, it's strange that he phrases it as though these were somehow different governments without him. As everyone remembers, we didn't hear any strong statements from him back then." Fedorov claimed he had rooted out elements of corruption from defence procurement but warned it was still affecting Ukraine's frontline capacity. The former minister said he'd had no contact with the president for "a couple of weeks", and had no evidence the president was personally corrupt.
总统发言人此前曾告诉BBC新闻:"自2019年以来,前部长曾参与每届政府,他却把这两届政府都当作没有他时是不同的政府,这很奇怪。 大家都记得,当时我们并没有听到他发表任何强烈的声明。" 费多罗夫声称他已根除国防采购中的腐败元素,但警告这仍影响乌克兰前线能力。 这位前部长表示,他已经"几周没有与总统"联系,也没有证据表明总统个人腐败。
"In all the time that I worked with him, not a single time have I received from him any task or assignment that would go against law or my sense of integrity. So that's my personal experience with him."
"在我与他共事的所有时间里,他从未给我任何违背法律或我诚信的任务或任务。 这就是我个人与他的经历。"
Ukraine's sacked defence minister defends election calls in BBC interview As defence minister and previously digital transformation minister, Fedorov is credited with innovating to replace soldiers with an "army of drones", saving lives on the battlefield and enabling long-range Ukrainian strikes on Russian military targets, oil refineries and distribution warehouses - thousands of kilometres over the border.
乌克兰被解职的国防部长在BBC采访中为选举电话辩护 作为国防部长和以前的数字转型部长,费奥多罗夫被认为是创新,以"无人机军队"取代士兵,拯救战场上的生命,并使乌克兰能够对俄罗斯军事目标,炼油厂的边界。
He said he would continue to promote new ways to fight the war and confirmed a visit to the United States in the coming weeks, where he hopes to meet Elon Musk.
他表示将继续推广新的战争方式,并确认未来几周将访问美国,希望在那里会见埃隆·马斯克。
The billionaire businessman's Starlink satellite communications system has been key in Ukraine's success. Fedorov aims to convince Musk to extend the technology into Russian airspace to assist Ukrainian strikes, without the Kremlin benefiting from access.
这位亿万富翁商人的Starlink卫星通信系统是乌克兰成功的关键。 费多罗夫旨在说服马斯克将该技术扩展到俄罗斯领空,协助乌克兰打击,而克里姆林宫则无法从中获益。
"The best tech companies in the world are supporting us and they will be investing in our victory, in ending this war.
"世界上最好的科技公司正在支持我们,他们将投资于我们的胜利,结束这场战争。
And we need to stay in touch with them regardless of my position.
不管我的位置如何,我们都要和他们保持联系。
I have a previous successful track record of working with them and I need to stay in touch with them for my country," he said.
我之前与他们合作过,有成功的记录,我需要为国家保持联系,"他说。
President Zelensky with Fedorov during a Nato meeting in June Fedorov criticised bureaucracy in the UK and other countries supporting Ukraine for delays in supplying weapons. The UK is a longstanding supporter of Ukraine, spending £16bn supplying weapons since the war began.
泽连斯基总统与费多罗夫在六月北约会议上合影 费多罗夫批评英国及其他支持乌克兰国家的官僚体系,导致武器供应延迟。 英国长期支持乌克兰,自战争开始以来已花费160亿英镑供应武器。
It was confirmed last week that British-made drones have been used to attack Russian targets. Fedorov said he was grateful for British support but blamed "bureaucracy and red tape" for delays in receiving promised equipment. "Governments are lagging behind the realities on the ground.
上周确认,英国制造的无人机已被用来攻击俄罗斯目标。 费多罗夫表示感谢英国的支持,但将收到承诺装备延迟归咎于"官僚主义和繁文缛节"。 "各国政府落后于实际情况。
It's not only the issue for UK, but for other countries as well that announce some assistance and we are not getting it until the end of the year."
这不仅是英国的问题,其他国家也宣布了援助,而我们要到年底才能收到。"
Fedorov urged direct funding of the latest Ukrainian drone production, in place of outdated skills and equipment from other nations: "We don't need repairs of tanks when we no longer use tanks."
费多罗夫呼吁直接资助乌克兰最新的无人机生产,取代来自其他国家的过时技能和装备:"我们不再使用坦克,就不需要修理坦克。"
He said timely deliveries would help save not just Ukrainian lives. "Unfortunately, our losses, our blood, our military experience is beneficial to all of you guys.
他说,及时的交付不仅能挽救乌克兰人的生命。 "不幸的是,我们的损失、鲜血和军事经验对你们都有益处。
You can get this experience for all the assistance that you give us."
你能因为你给予我们的帮助而获得这次体验。"
Fedorov denied having immediate political ambitions but didn't rule out a future run for president. "It will all depend on how soon we'll be able to relaunch this democratic election process, [...] how much energy I would have, whether I will preserve my team, whether I will be able to respond to the question myself, whether I can handle this position of the president or not.
费多罗夫否认有立即的政治抱负,但并未排除将来竞选总统的可能性。 "这一切都取决于我们能多快重新启动这个民主选举进程,[...]我会有多少精力,我是否会保留我的团队,我是否能亲自回答这个问题,我是否能胜任总统的这个职位。
"What's more important, is whether people will tell me, yeah, we can trust you handling that position."
"更重要的是,人们是否会告诉我,是的,我们可以信任你来处理这个职位。"
Correction 23 August: This article originally said Mykhailo Fedorov's video highlighting political corruption was released the same day a money laundering investigation was announced into lawmakers and bankers.
更正 8月23日:本文最初称米哈伊洛·费多罗夫揭露政治腐败的视频发布于宣布对立法者和银行家洗钱调查的同一天。
It has been corrected to reflect that the video was released the day before the announcement. Zelensky tries to fix crisis over removal of defence minister and counts the cost Zelensky's ex-chief of staff in court as Ukraine corruption probe escalates Sacked Ukrainian defence minister calls for presidential election
已更正为显示该视频是在宣布前一天发布的。 泽伦斯基试图解决撤职国防部长的危机,并计算成本 随着乌克兰腐败调查升级,泽伦斯基的前参谋长在法庭上 被罢免乌克兰国防部长呼吁举行总统选举
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